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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>bradraqua A scris:</cite><blockquote><p>Ma gindesc ca daca ii inveti cu icre negre, se spurca si ajung sa manince ochii (pupilele) altor pesti! <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Mai in gluma sau mai in serios chiar asa este, si caraseii daca ii inveti cu dovlecel, mazare si alte minunatii, in acvariu plantat ii tii foarte greu... iti halesc toate plantele, pe cand daca le dai doar granule (chiar daca au aport vegetal), nu prea se dau la plante, conditia fiind sa-i tii inca de pui mici doar cu granule.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Ancistrus]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-03-22T12:07:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>narcis.b A scris:</cite><blockquote><p>Ok,credem pe cuvant! Nu am crescut astfel ancistrusii.Pentru mine,ancistrusii sunt doar folositori in balta <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> Dupa cum arata in poze ,iti dau dreptate.Asta e cand inveti pestii cu delicatese&nbsp; <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p></blockquote></div><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;Ma gindesc ca daca ii inveti cu icre negre, se spurca si ajung sa manince ochii (pupilele) altor pesti! <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Baracuda]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-03-22T11:29:43Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>aryna A scris:</cite><blockquote><p>am folosit &quot;bile&quot; pentru substrat deoarece am gasit un articol in care se spunea ca echinodorusul epuizeaza resursele din substrat si de aceea ii se topesc frunzele. Deocamdata s-a imbunatatit situatia, voi vedea mai departe ce se intampla.</p></blockquote></div><p>In cazul tau bilele tip JBL 7 Balls sunt bune... sa ma scuzi dar se pare ca eu am raspuns mai mult discutiei pornite de colegul @alin ursul<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>alin ursul A scris:</cite><blockquote><p>sall...la mine echonodorusii nu sint compatibili cu ancistrusii de ex[am si pleco,oto,sae,cae pe care i-am acuzat pe nedrept pe rind logic :stupid ]....daca uit sa le dau dovlecel,cartof,mazare,castravete etc o zii au ei grija sa se serveasca singuri cu cruditati...imi topesc echinodorusii...i-am studiat si ei erau infractorii...</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Ancistrus]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-03-22T11:18:21Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ok,credem pe cuvant! Nu am crescut astfel ancistrusii.Pentru mine,ancistrusii sunt doar folositori in balta <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> Dupa cum arata in poze ,iti dau dreptate.Asta e cand inveti pestii cu delicatese&nbsp; <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[narcis.b]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/user/3712/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-03-22T11:11:07Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>am folosit &quot;bile&quot; pentru substrat deoarece am gasit un articol in care se spunea ca echinodorusul epuizeaza resursele din substrat si de aceea ii se topesc frunzele. Deocamdata s-a imbunatatit situatia, voi vedea mai departe ce se intampla.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[aryna]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/user/958/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-03-22T11:07:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Am si frunze &quot;clorotice&quot;, mai bolnave, prin acvariu... de care ancistrusii nici macar nu se ating, in schimb melcii da. Am facut referire la pestii care au (sau au avut) in alimentatie vegetale &quot;de bucatarie&quot;, pentru ca restul nu se prea dau in vant dupa plante, dar am o femela (care a mancat multi castraveti si salata la viata ei&nbsp; <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" />) care pur si simplu &quot;gusta&quot; toate plantele introduse recent sa vada cam ce-i place <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /><br />PS: Am vazut la viata mea multe frunze sau plante bolnave, in nici un caz frunza nu se imbolnavea in felul asta, &quot;mileu&quot;, ca si cum s-ar transforma in Aponogeton fenestralis :omfg</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Ancistrus]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-03-22T10:04:56Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Tot nu cred, esti sigur ca nicio portiune din frunza nu devine clorotica, inainte sa fie devorata?<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;Am Ancistrusi de ani de zile, plante extrem de diferite, unele cu frunze deosebit de fine/delicate, am avut si Echinodorusi dar nu am vazut niciodata un Ancistrus mincind dintr-o frunza perfect sanatoasa. In afara perioadei in care am avut ciclide africane, nu am suplimentat niciodata dieta pestilor cu legume sau fructe, baza o reprezinta hrana congelata.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Baracuda]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-03-22T09:49:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ancistrusii <span class="bbu">invatati</span> cu mancare vegetala (salata verde, castraveti, dovlecel etc) mananca frunze de Echinodorus pana la nervurile mai tari, si iti transforma frunzele plantelor in &quot;mileu&quot; (la fel ca frunzele salatei verzi dupa ce termina cu ea). Mai sus este o poza cu meniul lor preferat din acvariul meu (Echinodorus osiris in prim plan, si Echinodorus amazonicus in dreapta jos), scuze pentru calitatea pozei, este &quot;telefonata&quot; <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" />. Mentionez ca toate plantele de la mine merg bine, fara alge sau fruze &quot;galbene&quot;.<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Pun si un filmulet (nu al meu) cu &quot;realizarile&quot; lor spectaculoase <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /> :</p><p> [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi4UH8fU988[/youtube]</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Ancistrus]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-03-22T08:27:26Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>narcis.b A scris:</cite><blockquote><p>Daca frunza echinodorusului se apropie de &quot;topire&quot; atunci da sunt sanse sa se serveasca ancistrusii.Altfel doar Pleco mari ar putea sa o manance.<br />TOpirea plantelor,a frunzelor in general se face din diverse motive toate legate de un echilibru prost din acvariu,fie acvariu neciclat,fie lipsa unuia sa a mai multor nutrienti,fie excesul de nutrienti.</p></blockquote></div><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;Pai asta este problema Narcis, multi colegi se pling ca pestii sau melcii le devoreaza plantele. Nu observa ca, de cele mai multe ori, plantele sunt afectate deja de putrezire partiala sau totala, cauza care conduce la devorarea lor. Nu voi crede niciodata ca o frunza sanatoasa de Echinodorus (mai putin Tenellus - delicata) este devorata de Ancistrusi.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2011-03-22T08:21:21Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Daca frunza echinodorusului se apropie de &quot;topire&quot; atunci da sunt sanse sa se serveasca ancistrusii.Altfel doar Pleco mari ar putea sa o manance.<br />TOpirea plantelor,a frunzelor in general se face din diverse motive toate legate de un echilibru prost din acvariu,fie acvariu neciclat,fie lipsa unuia sa a mai multor nutrienti,fie excesul de nutrienti.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[narcis.b]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-03-22T07:33:40Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>alin ursul A scris:</cite><blockquote><p>sall...la mine echonodorusii nu sint compatibili cu ancistrusii de ex[am si pleco,oto,sae,cae pe care i-am acuzat pe nedrept pe rind logic :stupid ]....daca uit sa le dau dovlecel,cartof,mazare,castravete etc o zii au ei grija sa se serveasca singuri cu cruditati...imi topesc echinodorusii...i-am studiat si ei erau infractorii...</p></blockquote></div><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;As vrea si eu sa vad frunzele de Echinodorus atacate de Ancistrusi. Daca se poate... te rog!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2011-03-22T07:02:31Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>sall...la mine echonodorusii nu sint compatibili cu ancistrusii de ex[am si pleco,oto,sae,cae pe care i-am acuzat pe nedrept pe rind logic :stupid ]....daca uit sa le dau dovlecel,cartof,mazare,castravete etc o zii au ei grija sa se serveasca singuri cu cruditati...imi topesc echinodorusii...i-am studiat si ei erau infractorii...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[alin ursul]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-03-21T19:40:48Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Gabii A scris:</cite><blockquote><p>:ang <br />Gata l-am gasit, <br />Ar trebui sa-l faceti stiky, da sa fim siguri ca o sa-l gasesc si a doua oara..</p></blockquote></div><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;Eu, cind l-am postat, l-am facut &quot;lipicios&quot; dar nu s-a lipit de tine, din prima... <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2011-03-11T14:20:00Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>:ang <br />Gata l-am gasit, <br />Ar trebui sa-l faceti stiky, da sa fim siguri ca o sa-l gasesc si a doua oara..</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Gabii]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/user/7111/</uri>
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			<updated>2011-03-11T14:16:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>costyy_78 A scris:</cite><blockquote><p>http://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/topic/6127/plantele-de-acvariu-indrumar-pentru-incepatori-si-nu-numai/</p></blockquote></div><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;Ce te faci, daca nu-l gaseste nici asa? <img src="https://www.acvariidevis.ro/forum/img/smilies/lol.png" width="15" height="15" alt="lol" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Baracuda]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-03-11T07:29:08Z</updated>
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